Kailo: an independent review

It’s about time!

If you’re reading this, you’re probably in pain. Pain sucks, and I can fully understand the idea of being “willing to try anything”. However, Kailo smelled suspiciously like a scam from day one. I’ve posted a number of articles about Kailo and nCap, and about their claims for how kailo works, and the discussions in the comments have also been very fruitful. It became quite clear to me that either Kailo is bogus, or that they actually did not understand how it works.

As a firm believer in evidence based medicine, I decided I needed to actually buy a Kailo in order to properly review the product. So I did — while I feel bad for potentially supporting a scam, at least it will also allow me to to test their claimed “money back return policy”!

I purchased my Kailo from Amazon USA. As I live in Australia, I used a shipping forwarder to send it from there to my home. It arrived successfully!

Inside the box, was the Kailo sheet, the felt case and 3 adhesive sheets, as expected. The kailo sheet is fairly flexible, and feels similar to paper lamination film. One side is completely smooth, while on the other side there is a texture from the geometric pattern with the (supposed) “nano capacitors”. Scratching the textured side with a finger does nothing – it appears to be coated with a protective plastic top coat.

The adhesive works fairly well. I had no problem getting Kailo to stick to skin, although the sensation is not particularly pleasant. “It’s sticky … ew” was the reaction of one person I asked to try Kailo.

Kailo Pain Relief Tests

I tried Kailo on myself first, after having a sore neck from a particularly hard day. After applying Kailo I did notice the sensation of Kailo starting out cool and warming up to my body temperature, at no point did Kailo get any warmer than that. When placing my hand on top of the Kailo it was clear that Kailo was very good at conducting heat from my hand through to my skin. However, I did not notice any reduction in the pain or aching.

I also asked another person who I knew experienced chronic pain to try Kailo. They left Kailo on for an hour, and told me they did not notice any improvement or pain relief at all either.

Kailo Money Back Policy?

I have returned my Kailo, posting it back to the USA on the 15th Feb, and expecting it to arrive before the 25th Feb. I will update this page in future if or when I have received a full refund.

Update (6th March): I successfully received a refund from Kailo via their Amazon store. No complaints there, but I clearly still wouldn’t recommend it!

Conclusion

At least for me, I have satisfied myself that Kailo has no value, and does not provide pain relief. However, from a scientific perspective, two people is really not enough of a sample size to really prove or disprove anything. I am expecting the kailo supporters may critique my review for this reason. However, when I have asked Kailo to provide copies of any scientific testing that they have done, they provided nothing at all. As there are many for whom Kailo “works”, I maintain my position that in the absence of proof otherwise (e.g. clinical double blind testing) this is likely due to the placebo effect.

Finally I have one more Kailo article where I investigate – what are Kailo Pain Relief Patches really made of?

 

The Kailo packaging

 

 

 

 

64 Comments

  1. Cliff

    Interesting – a pity that you weren’t able to trial it on more people. Was that down to return and money-back issues? If you had been able to keep it longer and try it in a variety of situations and people I wonder if the results would have been the same.

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      Yes, I did want to test their return policy, and for that reason I was time constrained.

      However, it is not just a matter of finding more people! In order to show that the pain relief that some users see is not due to the placebo effect, we would need to perform double blind testing.

      The other reason I purchased the device was to identify what the “nano-capacitors” are made of, and that article will be published in the next few days.

    • The product that the manufacture of this piece of plastic and nano-capacitors designed to look like a printed circuit and a coating of postit adhesive is really selling is brilliant marketing.

      Like all snake oil salesmen, they need a plausible story and they couple that with the human condition that they even admit to understanding perfectly well, that is, all humans feel pain at one time or another, and a good majority of them feel chronic pain. It is no mystery that we all want that pain to go away. We are dispositioned to WANTING to believe something, anything will work. That desire to be free of pain is the reason there is a multi-billion dollar food supplement industry selling just about as many kinds of pills. Unlike that industry however, his guy is very clever — the claim is that the patch relieves pain — no that it cures any disease so he doesn’t have to put that disclaimer that the supplement industry is required — i.e, “These statements have not be evaluated by the FDA. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease.” Very clever how the Kailo marketing spiel avoids all wording that would require them to put that disclaimer on the product.

      So this is a business model that makes profits by manufacturing a product that probably cost under $5 to produce and then sells for $100. Whether the product works or not is really irrelevant because the trick that way this business works is, much like the food supplement industry, there is always a given number of buyers who want the product to work, that the placebo effect kicks in. Those sales are a given. Then there is the other given that for the customers for whom it doesn’t work, there is also a given, known percentage who will not make the effort to return the product for the refund. If the company can calculate that between those two percentages they will still make a profit, they are good to go. Whether the product is effective really makes no difference. Add to that the other perfectly legal but nonetheless marketing trick of the SUBSCRIPTION “deal” where the company ships product AUTOMATICALLY at intervals, even there, research shows that there is a percentage of customers don’t even realize the automatic billing nature of the sale and there is also a percentage who, while they may decide they don’t want the product, they miss the mandatory cancellation period and are charged at least one, perhaps two more times. This has all been scientifically researched and is know to anyone deciding to set up a less that honest business. The main point is, the product’s efficacy is a moot point because if all the right boxes are ticked, the scam will make money. Which is why a piece of plastic with what is called an “antenna” to receive? or transmit? signal that stop pain between the source and the brain which is worth a couple of bucks can be sold for $100 and the company can rake in millions before it eventually will go out of business as the work finally spreads. But mind you, they know that as well and it’s built into that business model, so they are already working on the next antenna to what, magically shrink hemorrhoids? Wny not!

      The flag that I tell anyone they should be looking for is very simple. If a piece of plastic and little capacitors arranged in patterns that look like the circles in the SciFi movie could relieve pain, why hasn’t isn’t every hospital and doctor’s office handing these out like candy? Might it be BECAUSE THEY DON’T WORK?!

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      • Cliff Oliver

        I totally agree with your assessment of the current marketing and selling methods of today’s health market. Well done.

      • Lisa

        Hi Frankie. I agree that this is a perfect set up for a scam. The only thing I disagree with is your statement that if this worked, doctors’ offices would be handing them out like candy. If something like this worked, it would be an enemy to big pharma, because they want to keep selling lots of pills, and they’d act to supress it.

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        • Jay D Jackson

          there are very few doctors who want to hear about cures that would make you stay away from the doctors. I was told i was type 2 diabetic in 2017, i immediately went on a diet and started taking organic liquid vitamin and mineral suppliment daily. after 3 weeks my blood sugar was normal and i havent taken metformin since, i now weigh 160, started at 200. my latest a1c came back 5.7, my doctor is no longer my go to and now going to one who is open to what works to keep his patients healthy with long and quality life

          • admin

            Most doctors have given up on their patients being able to change their behaviour as you did. Patient compliance is low for even just taking meds, going on a diet? Very rare. Congrats though – our standard knowledge of diabetes being incurable is slowly beginning to change thank goodness. But there ARE good doctors out there who stay up to date on the research and will gladly partner with you on your health.

  2. AJ

    Disclaimer – I am a new distributor of the nCAP patches up in Canada.

    (Sam) – Here is my review of your review 🙂

    First thing I should point out is that Kailo and nCAP are not affiliated and there only tie to each other that I am aware of is through the technology that Kailo has licensed from nCAP. I don’t see you mention anywhere that you have talked to the owner of nCAP (as he was the one who started this whole thing) about the product and how it works so saying nCAP is making claims about how the Kailo works is not true. I’m splitting hairs here but all Kailo did was license the Technology. They came up with their own product and advertising using that technology, not nCAP.

    Good on you for ordering one so you could put it through its paces and prove one way or the other if it actually does what they say it does. Unfortunately your line about properly reviewing it is not 100% accurate as we find out in the your review that it was only tested on two people (one with a heavy bias towards it being a fake and the other I’m not sure how they felt about the product). It does sound like the major reason for buying it was just to test out what you mention is the “money back return policy”. I agree that is extremely important and would totally agree in your claim of it being a scam if you don’t get your money back, but the reason for you wanting one in the first place was to take it to your lab and put it through its paces as well test it on numerous unbiased people. You could have asked for a small donation from everyone to help compensate you for the cost of purchasing it. In fact why not do that for your freight forwarder cost (USA to Australia and then back) that you will not get reimbursed for from Kailo. I will contribute to it if you do. Let’s see another so called “snake oil salesman” do that.

    I love the reaction from the one person who said “It’s sticky…ew”. Here’s my review on that sticky pad. Yes it is sticky for about a week only. Giving it a quick wash as recommended will only get you another couple days use of it before you have to replace the sticky pad. At least this is what I found when I use my Kailo instead of the nCAP on certain occasions. As far as it not being particularly pleasant against the skin I can see that but scotch tape or duct tape on the skin wouldn’t be pleasant either. This tape can be used to stick the patch to the inside of a shirt, or pants as well. You also don’t need to use the adhesive if you don’t want to.

    Your pain relief tests do not mention if you tried different spots or just slapped it on in one place and then hoped for the best. I find I still have to sometimes move the patch around until I find the sweet spot as the pain does not always originate in the same place.

    Your conclusion paragraph was well written and a good review of your experience with the Kailo product. It is not in my favor but we already knew that the patch will not work on everyone and running the test on yourself when you are very biased makes it even more difficult to sway your mind. As mentioned in a previous post I did, I have been informed of a US university that has been selected to and will be starting the clinical double blind testing on the nCAP patch in the near future. You mention this is the only way to truly prove it works or it doesn’t. I promise to make the results available to you however they turn out (your favor or mine).

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      Thanks for your feedback AJ.

      nCAP and Kailo are both are based in Utah.

      I read the nCAP Antenna patent extensively and Kailo appears to match this description almost perfectly.

      I have less information about nCAP, but I doubt that the core “technology” differs in any significant way. I use quotes because I don’t believe these products are anything other than a placebo.

      Until reliable independent double-blind scientific testing has been performed and the results shared, I will not be recommending either product.

      You seem like a nice person – I’m sorry to rain on your parade, but I strongly believe in speaking up for truth and evidence.

      I really wish that nCAP and Kailo were the breakthrough technology that they promised to be. Even though I believed it wasn’t possible, I actually was really hoping to be proved wrong after trying Kailo myself.

      Kind regards,
      Sam

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      • Greg

        Sam I agree with you completely and I appreciate your review. I think this guy above who claims to be an nCAP distributor is likely full of crap and probably either with Kailo itself or a buddy of the owner. I came across your review because I found myself quite skeptical after watching Kailo’s hokey ad on YouTube a few min ago. The 48 year old spokesman that claims to be a coach is clearly an actor as well as several of the people that appear to be freaking out over just how well it works. If the product may not work on everyone, why only feature glowing testimonials from people that it does. This IS a SCAM and It’s very sad to see how many people are so gullible to be duped by this nonsense.

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        • AJ

          Disclaimer – I am a new distributor of the nCAP patches up in Canada

          (Greg) FYI – My only association with Kailo is the fact I bought it from a facebook ad and the results I personally got from using it on myself led me to nCAP and becoming a distributor…the rest is history…period.

          You made me laugh out loud when you said “If the product may not work on everyone, why only feature glowing testimonials from people that it does” All I can say is you obviously have never been in business for your self and if you were and also followed what you said above, I can fully understand why you are not in business now.

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          • Greg

            AJ,

            I actually have a bachelor’s in business management as well as an MBA and I have had much experience implementing what I’ve learned for 20 years now. I believe you very well may be a distributor for this nonsense, but you obviously lack ethics and morals and are solely interested in boosting your sales revenue. If you can’t provide scientific proof that this product relieves pain in 100% of persons that have sampled it, it shouldn’t be portrayed as though it does, such as is done in Kailo’s hack ad online. It’s very misleading and dishonest. If you have to resort to that to make a buck, you must not be that good of a businessman yourself.

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          • If you want people to buy your product… why are you scolding them instead of winning their confidence.

            I have more than 30 years of experience being self employed. I have had successful and failed businesses, I’ve seen it all.

            You are the one who does not understand how to run a self owned business. You have absolutely no understanding of customer service or effective self promotion and communications in order to build brand loyalty. In fact you are a liability to this company based on your post.

  3. Arah

    My wife (a chronic pain sufferer) just recently saw an add for Kailo and asked me (a science geek/software engineer) for my technical opinion: scam or real? And after a fruitless jaunt on their official website for any real science or medical information (their pseudo-science word jumble of the day being eminently ignorable), a quick search of Ye Olde Interwebs led me to you.

    First, thanks for putting in the time and money. Even if you do get your refund, I doubt you’re getting a refund on the shipping forwarder. (As an American that lived abroad for a few years, I know how that goes.) So kudos for what you have done.

    That said … WTF is their science supposed to even be?

    It makes no sense. Nano capacitors that replace antennas? Okay… Maybe such a thing exists as an antenna … though even then, antennas have to be shaped/sized/tuned to specific frequencies. So what frequencies are these nCAP antennas tuned to? (How does one even tune them?) And are they receiving or broadcasting? And how when they don’t have any electronics to do so? Or power? Even the nCAP itself as an antenna raises a lot of questions to me that aren’t being explained, but to then turn that into a pain patch? WTF? It just does not compute. There are sooooo many questions here.

    Not to mention, even IF Kailo worked exactly how they claim it works … how would that actually help anyone?

    Improving the nervous system efficiency would result in more pain, not less. You’d be far better off adding a filter to reduce signal noise than you would to boost the signal.

    None of their “official” science description makes any sense from an intentional product design.

    HOWEVER, there are a number of accidental possibilities that I wonder about.

    My first thought is that, as you noted, whatever the heck these magic nano particles may or may not be doing, intentionally or accidentally, the material does conduct heat. Is heat conductivity alone enough to reduce or alleviate some people’s pain? I don’t know. I do know that my wife’s nerves are especially sensitive to heat, so I wonder if just adding a glorified heat sink to an area of significant inflammation might help some people? The next time she has an especially inflamed muscle, maybe I’ll glue some aluminum foil to her and find out. Maybe that’s all Kailo is and does.

    But it also, theoretically, is possible that A) body heat is absorbed by a nano material which in turn B) powers nano particles into weakly emitting EM radiation, which C) somehow filters or disrupts pain receptors and/or signal transmission through nerves. A is possible. B is possible, but improbable. And C? Highly improbable, but …maybe? A and B would be easy tests to perform for someone with access to the right equipment. Not sure how anyone could test C.

    And then what about chemistry? Unlikely, but possible, the glue, plastics, or other materials involved could contain an accidental (or intentional) dose of a topical anesthetic. Or some other agent. Or that any of these could, when combined with sweat or body heat, break down into some such chemical agent. Again, all things that could be tested if one had access to a chemistry lab.

    But it makes me wonder if there aren’t real scientific explanations that could be theorized, listed, and tested to prove or disprove … that just have absolutely nothing to do with the alleged science behind Kailo.

    Either way, I’m not about to order Kailo for my wife. Their official scientific claims make no sense even if one could believe them to be completely true, which one can’t with what little information they do give.

    But I do wonder if accidentally there is any mechanism which may help some people beyond being a placebo, and how funny it would be if there was. Kind of like building a radar antenna that also turns out to be a convenient way to reheat old foodstuffs.

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      From a purely scientific perspective it’s actually quite an interesting product idea – but the energy balance just doesn’t work out. I do like your analogy about the microwaves though, it’s a fun and quite believable narrative that this was some kind of “accidental miraculous discovery” 😂! I’ll be posting another article later this week with some more basic material analysis.

      • AJ

        Disclaimer – I am a new nCAP distributor in Canada.

        (Sam) – As far as I understand it and have been told by the original creator of the technology, it was an accidental discovery. The product was never intended for anything besides what it was originally designed to do and that had nothing to do with putting it on people.

        • Walt

          You now sound like you are back tracking on your earlier comments of validity. My wife has 2 herniated (L4 & L5) discs in her back. We have been trying for years to find comfort for her. I did the research and would not even hope for this to be a solution. No valid scientific evidence that it works. I have to agree with the author that those feeling relief may be having a placebo effect.

          • April

            Walt,

            Hopefully this reaches you, but I also have a herniated disk in my L5 so I can relate to your wife’s agony. However I am not sure if you or her have ever heard of McKenzie stretches therapy? I have just started reading the book but there many videos on YouTube that touch on this treatment. Basically he is a renowned physical therapist who discovered these exercise/stretches in the 1950’s. Please check out his work. This has literally changed my life with my back! Not selling anything or making any claims just trying to give hope from one back pain suffer to another.

    • admin

      We’ve definitely been thinking alike. I was also wondering about the possibility of some kind of medication in the adhesive to, the only thing that put me off that theory was that they advertise it as not needing to be in contact with skin. After trying on myself, I’m pretty sure that that’s not the case.

      I also took this photo a few days ago maybe you’ll laugh at this….
      … I present, Kailo 1.0!

      • AJ

        Disclaimer – I am a new nCAP distributor in Canada.

        (Sam) – The nCAP patch is buried inside a cloth type material and comes with cloth pouches that you place the patch in and then either put it against your skin or on the outside of a shirt, pant, sock, etc.. That alone pretty much guarantees there is no medication or lotions/potions of any kind that are causing the pain reduction.

    • Kracker

      Bingo didnt take me long to realize all this is is a conductor of heat. Hence if your body does not conduct well it won’t work and seondly it doesnt work for nerve pain i am sure what it is working on is either muscle pain or inflamation. chronic pain is neither it is nerve pain so this product only has the possibility to help those with pain caused from an imbalance, inflamation or muscle injury

  4. David Schminck

    An 87% success claim does not equate to a placebo effect. Either this 87% claim is bogus or the patent holder does not know how it does what is claimed with respect to pain reduction.

    For argument, assume the 87% success rate is more or less accurate. A testable hypothesis on how it might work can be advanced. In the straw man hypothesis below, elements (a) , (b), (c) and (d) are all testable.

    Strawman hypothesis: (a) the patch carries a small electromagnetic field; (b) the tiny electromagnetic field carried on the outside of active afferent neurons, A-delta fibres and C fibres, is amplified when the patch is correctly placed; (c) feedback from the patch over time increases the amplification to some overload value in the field carried on the outside of the fibres ; (d) the overload on the outside of the fibers interferes at the axon with the signal being carried through the neuron body, down regulating the the signal that is transmitted back to the brain.

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  5. rogelio zuñiga barragan

    Hi
    I am not in favor or find the product, but I bought it for my mother who has pain due to age and illness.
    I received the product and placed it looking for the right place between pain and brain the result was that of the two different pains my mother suffers, one disappeared while using the kailo and the other decreased 80%
    my mother didn’t know what it was for
    He just told me my pain went away
    I kept monitoring the pain for 15 days
    and kept working.
    When the patch was removed the pain returned.

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    • Greg

      How long have you been friends with someone affiliated with Kailo or how much did they pay you for you to write this? Just curious.

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      • AJ

        Disclaimer – I am a new distributor of the nCAP patches up in Canada

        (Greg) Now if this isn’t a perfect example of outing yourself as “Troll” I have no idea what is.

        I wish I had seen this post prior to wasting my time responding to one of yours earlier.

        This takes away from Sam’s work and the conversation he has started on the subject. It’s a shame….

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          AJ, you’re a fool. Your comment has only received multiple thumbs down so far. I’ll wager a majority of people reading these comments will agree with me. You’re the type of dishonest money grubbing hack that would try to put someone up to leaving a positive experience here. Don’t deny it. You’re the troll here buddy. How many fake email accounts do you plan to create to try and support your nonsense claims? You’re despicable. But please, go ahead and continue to rant at me. You’re just making yourself look like a fool now.

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          • AJ

            All someone has to do is open a different browser (google, safari, IE, Edge, etc…) and give a thumbs down on the post. The blog doesn’t know any better so one person could easily leave 5-6 thumbs down. Nice try.

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      • peter

        Greg is right, any anecdotal stories are irrelevant, what’s relevant, is the science behind the product, which in this case is very thin. However, if paying $200 for patches that you believe makes you feel better, it is your business, I guess.

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          Dear Admin.

          I call em like I see em. Trust me, calling AJ a fool was taking “the high road” considering his comments. I’m done with him though so no worries. I wish you luck here though. Your blog is good for people to see.

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  6. Jeff Gamez

    JG 3/3/20

    I receive this product the last week of February and I tried it on my lower back 1st. I left it there for about 12 hours and no relief in my pain.
    I had pain on my arm and I tried it there for 20 hours and nothing happened still had the pain.
    I woke up in the morning and I had a headache so as I was laying in bed I put the patch on my forehead for about an hour. I didn’t feel anything happening in the first couple of seconds like it claims. About 6 hours later I tried to get up and I was spinning . I didn’t know what to think and what to do. I decided to lay on the floor. I was trying to get up but I was spinning around and rocking back and forth. I had a hold onto the wall to get up.
    Called my Doctor told them my symptoms and told me it’s Vertigo, what a coincidence I tried this product and now it affects my work!
    I did notice you didn’t leave a Invoice for what I bought or a return address to return the product!

    • Greg

      Jeff I sympathize with your unfortunate situation. Perhaps you should try to contact AJ for information on getting your refund. This blog is completely saturated with his comments and he claims to be a distributor for this product. Something tells me he won’t respond to you though because there’ll be no money in it for him.

      Best of luck to you though sir.

      • AJ

        Disclaimer – I am a new distributor of the nCAP patches up in Canada

        (Jeff) You should have received an invoice in your email when you originally bought this product online from Kailo. That should have the return address noted on it. Failing that, just look at their website and grab the information from there.

        (Greg) nCAP is not Kailo. There is no affiliation between the 2 companies outside of Kailo licensing the technology from nCAP. That’s like saying the widget you bought at wal-mart can be returned at Costco????

        Now if it was an nCAP product you have a 37 day refund period (not 14) and depending upon the circumstance I’ve even told people to just keep it when they’ve called me for info on how to return it.

        (Peter) You are correct with your statement “science behind the product, which in this case is very thin”. If they want to be taken more seriously they need to do studies. I get that and I totally understand why people are skeptical.

        (Everyone) It really is a shame that some people can’t just have a civilized conversation about something without all this other garbage spewing from their mouth. They are looking for a reaction and wanting to disrupt the exchange of information as they hide behind their keyboard.

        Although I do not completely agree with Sam and his findings I am thankful he started the conversation as I have read things related to the product that has made me investigate further so I am more aware of what makes this product tick.

        Also let’s not forget I have promised Sam the results of the upcoming double blind study regardless of it being good or bad for nCAP. Now does this sound like a person who has been described by someone as “dishonest money grubbing hack/despicable/fool”. Doesn’t quite fit does it.

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          Whatever dude. BLUF: regardless of the affiliation, the “thin science” is the SAME. The fact that you’re a distributor establishes that you are BIASED, as your potential profit is contingent on its overall success. Try not to take it so personal that not everyone buys into the bogus claims of this product.

          • AJ

            Greg – Go through all my posts and try and point out anywhere that I’ve said the science was sound and proven. I’m pretty sure you’ll find I have readily admitted that studies need to be done so there is proof of it working (or not working). As it stands right now we only have what the company says so you have to take it with a grain of salt. The bottom line for me is it works for me and that’s all I really care about. If I make some money selling it then so be it and if it helps anybody like me then great. I’m not losing any sleep over it one way or the other.

            Now also go through the same posts try and find anywhere I have taken it personally that someone doesn’t believe it could work. There is of course a difference between someone saying it doesn’t work and someone spewing anger, You’re the latter.

            I have no desire to argue and try and persuade someone who comes out swinging that the product might help them. I would never be successful doing that as I am not a high pressure sales person. If you don’t like the product or don’t believe what the company says about it then that’s fine. You’ve made your choice and I respect that. I would think most people reading this blog and the others on Sam’s site would agree that I’m not the one taking it personal here.

            I am not sure why but for some reason you have had a very negative opinion of me from the very start, even though we have never met or talked before in person.

            I am done responding to you now. I will let you be the last to post something. Make it memorable.

          • Greg

            I’m not spewing anger, as you put it nor have I taken anything personal. I simply think this product is bogus and the youtube ad cheesy and misleading. Don’t go acting all innocent now though. Earlier in this thread you mocked my knowledge of basic advertising and you also referred to me as a troll. What, you forget about that? Hopefully this response was memorable enough for you.

      • Buck Lawrence

        Greg,
        You don’t seem to be reading AJ’s posts very carefully. He is not promoting the Kailo, and his comments seem level-headed to this American engineer. I also keep an open mind for what cannot be explained at first. That’s what they call magic.
        I don’t know you, or AJ, or Sam, but just showed up here for the discussion. I’ll hold off trying out either of the products until the tests are published, or the costs go down to a reasonable level.

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        • Greg

          Congratulations Lawrence. And thanks for keeping me posted on the status of your independent research. I’m on the edge of my seat with anticipation. 8-D

          • admin

            Hi Greg, I think you may be misreading Buck’s intent here. Sarcasm may not be the best option to go with if you want to win people over.

          • Greg

            I respectfully disagree with you. He mentioned me by name, stating that he doesn’t think I read AJ’s comments carefully. Then he proceeds to bore me with his future plans to independently research it. I frankly couldn’t care less, hence the sarcasm.

  7. Dr Scott

    While I agree that at this moment there is no scientific evidence due to lack of scientific medical trials we have been using the placebo in the medical community for years, the placebo effect is scientifically proven to work on some why? we don’t know why but it does so for those people it works for it is a life altering experience to be pain free.
    I have 2PhD’s and a medical degree and have seen the placebo effect work in practice so for me if the placebo works for some people then is there any reason not to try? apart from the price of course the return period should be extended to 60 days to see if the patch works for them.

    • admin

      I agree that there’s nothing inherently wrong with selling the product as a placebo – however, I don’t agree with deceptive marketing claiming it works via “nanoparticle magic”, and that is the purpose of my article, to blow their scientific smokescreen wide open.

  8. Lisa

    My question is what does it matter if you’re biased against it? You can be biased against a pain pill but it still works. Biased against Tens unit, still works. The only reason it wouldn’t work if you don’t believe it will work, is the placebo effect. Power of suggestion. Too bad. I’ve had migraines for over 25 years & spondylolisthesis plus slipped disc & arthritis. Was hoping it would be a miracle. Will not be ordering. Thanks for the honest review.

  9. DD

    People have been wearing copper for centuries for pain. Copper is a good conductor of heat and electricity.
    The plastic alone is good at conducting heat from your skin. Scrap copper electrical wire makes nice bracelets and earrings without the high cost. ‘;D

  10. Mac

    Thanks for checking this out. I really needed this to work but can’t afford to blow a hundred bucks (prolly wouldn’t’ve bothered to return) although it looks like I’m about to drop 5grand on surgery! Looking past the details and all your research here, were it the “miracle “ they infer, you’d see it demonstrated out in the malls, gymnasiums, Walmart, and right where droves of people are! We all would have gotten our chance to see it. Heck! I’d sell it! Lol.. Most of us need this and I just wanted to believe 🙁 .. So much easier to hustle us all online. Btw, reviews from Amazon not so great. That’s when I searched a little further and found this thread. I’m still learning that if it sounds too good to be true… boohoo~ Mucho Thanks Sammy for saving my time!

    • admin

      Thanks Mac. That’s one my favorite sayings:
      • If it’s too good to be true, it probably is.
      • The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.
      • The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits.
      • Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes. After that who cares?… He’s a mile away and you’ve got his shoes!
      • Don’t take life too seriously. You will never get out of it alive.

  11. Berd

    As a member of the LDS faith and someone who has lived in Utah my whole life, I can attest that there is a unnaturally high prevalence of these types of products and these types of companies. This is also often combined with multilevel marketing, another dishonest way to do business.
    In addition, there is a tendency for these kind of shady deals to percolate and involve members of local LDS congregations. One guy has some amazing business idea and tries to recruit people at church. There is a massive amount of fraud perpetrated this way in Utah, sometimes even from our lay ecclesiastical leadership.
    I am not sure why it’s like this other than people assume their fellow neighbors and churchgoers are honest. The LDS church has even published guidance about this, advising people to not get involved or spread this kind of bullshit.
    So of course this product is snake oil bullshit packaged and presented for the modern era. It makes me really pissed off to see that it still goes on, especially like this among a population that processes to live a higher standard than the world at large.
    They will of course not do a scientific study because it will show what we all know, that it’s bullshit. You are very cordial and professional with your replies and articles but I think people like this are thieving douchebags and deserve to be called that for swindling people in need. If I ever run into this guy who founded the company, I will tell him the same.

    • christopher neve

      Berd, if everybody rushed to judgment and jumped to conclusions like you clearly have here, they would never have the chance to get a testimony. you should remind yourself of that, too. i have no skin in the game and am curious, and that is what the desire to find truth is all about. after that, it takes a leap of faith to move to action. if there is a moneyback guarantee that is honored, i don’t understand 1)why people in need and desirous to find out would not try it, and 2)why people like greg and you (to a lesser extent) would expend so much energy and time criticizing it on a hunch. it may or may not work. i don’t know, but i really don’t understand your attitudes or comments, for sure. nobody ever found truth about anything by deciding for themselves in a corner 😉

      • admin

        We have good methods for finding truth – namely, the scientific method. You say you “don’t understand”: as I have said several times, because of the placebo effect, trying it just on yourself is not a valid way of proving that this product is not a scam.

        I’m proud that there are people that really care about whether or not they are being told lies. I don’t believe they are just “criticizing it on a hunch” – that’s a disingenuous statement for sure. If you don’t object to being duped, by all means – try away!

        As for the “iron clad” money back guarantee – I regularly get ignorant people contacting ME demanding a refund on their Kailo because they can’t get a refund from the manufacturer. So yeah, try at your own risk – I’m certainly not going to guarantee you’ll get a refund.

  12. Adam

    Hi Sam!

    I’ve read your posts on this and I can’t wait the third part about what’s actually in these pads! Any word on when that might come out?

    Thanks!

  13. Nick from Michigan

    I post this not in the expectation that anyone will take it seriously but because I can’t stand by and see anything rebuked by naysayers who are prejudiced from the get-go. I too suspected snake-oil products when I read the reviews, but researched the reviews and felt that there was much more positive reviews than negative. I’ve seen many products with obviously faked glowing praise, there are certain things that give them away under scrutiny.
    But, I’m a 71-year old man who suffered a serious deep- muscle injury (self inflicted, duh) as a young man. For many decades it was fine unless I really overdid it, then there was medium pain for a brief time that went away with ibuprofen. About 3-4 years ago it gradually got worse, both in intensity and frequency, until finally dull pain was constantly there and even simple things like raking, stooping to pick multiple things off the floor, etc caused enough pain to make me need to sit down and rest my back. Walking , sitting and lying in bed were the only safe activities”. Last year it really limited the things I enjoy doing and I dreaded the coming years. So I felt I had nothing to lose by trying Kailo, and ordered two just to satisfy my self that I wasn’t missing out. With no serious expectation, I tried it out when they arrived. I stuck it on right where the pain was, worst and expected to see results – or not – in a few hours. I was astonished to feel immediate relief- the pain went from 5 or so down to around 0.5 or less, virtually undetectable since I’d developed pain tolerance over time. There was a little pain still in the back just below the device, so a day later I moved it down a bit, and and that cleared up right away. Two days later I still feel great, have no pain and look forward to doing more active things once the Coronavirus quarantine is over or the weather warms up for yard activities.
    Sure, this is anecdotal but these things need real investigation before being put down by skeptics. I suspect back pain from pinched nerves or collapsed discs could have vastly different results so this isn’t proof of anything except that, for me, it worked as advertised. Accept or reject it as you choose, but know that the “tests” described here demonstrate nothing except that in one case, the return policy worked. Sure, you had to pay postage but not one penny went to the company so they gained nothing except one example that they didn’t lie about the return policy. Nuff said.

    • admin

      Hi Nick,

      I fully believe you. I have no reason to think otherwise. I’m happy you’ve found some relief.

      Let’s hypothesise – let’s say the makers of Kailo came out and said, “we lied, it really does nothing, and any effect you experienced is due to coincidence, the power of the mind, or the placebo effect.” What would your reaction be? I presume, that you would not care – since the product currently is working for you. But what about next week, when you apply it, and it seems to be a bit weaker? Or next month when it no longer seems to actually provide any relief? What would you do then? Would you purchase another one?

      Kailo provided me a refund. I am the only person on the internet that has critically reviewed their product. Do you think they are not aware of me? Do you think they would not be aware of the backlash if they did not provide me a refund? They have clear incentives to be “nice” to me, even after everything I have said.

      Take care, stay indoors, wash your hands, and I wish you the best of health.

      P.S don’t put Kailo near your heart, as its powerful effect could affect your signals from your brain and that could be fatal.

  14. Judie

    To all, thank you for your insightful observations . Anxiously awaiting double blind tests with placebo and non- placebo peeps. Hummm… how would that work…

  15. Perry from Belmont Shore

    Sam, thanks for taking the time to perform such a thorough review. Your review made me pause and think, as did Nick’s experience. Need to do more research on this before dropping a dime. Thanks again for the review!

    • admin

      Thanks Perry – I appreciate that! That’s all my goal is — to hopefully cut through the emotional pressure, and just get people to assess their product critically for themselves.

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