Kailo: an independent review

It’s about time!

If you’re reading this, you’re probably in pain. Pain sucks, and I can fully understand the idea of being “willing to try anything”. However, Kailo smelled suspiciously like a scam from day one. I’ve posted a number of articles about Kailo and nCap, and about their claims for how kailo works, and the discussions in the comments have also been very fruitful. It became quite clear to me that either Kailo is bogus, or that they actually did not understand how it works.

As a firm believer in evidence based medicine, I decided I needed to actually buy a Kailo in order to properly review the product. So I did — while I feel bad for potentially supporting a scam, at least it will also allow me to to test their claimed “money back return policy”!

I purchased my Kailo from Amazon USA. As I live in Australia, I used a shipping forwarder to send it from there to my home. It arrived successfully!

Inside the box, was the Kailo sheet, the felt case and 3 adhesive sheets, as expected. The kailo sheet is fairly flexible, and feels similar to paper lamination film. One side is completely smooth, while on the other side there is a texture from the geometric pattern with the (supposed) “nano capacitors”. Scratching the textured side with a finger does nothing – it appears to be coated with a protective plastic top coat.

The adhesive works fairly well. I had no problem getting Kailo to stick to skin, although the sensation is not particularly pleasant. “It’s sticky … ew” was the reaction of one person I asked to try Kailo.

Kailo Pain Relief Tests

I tried Kailo on myself first, after having a sore neck from a particularly hard day. After applying Kailo I did notice the sensation of Kailo starting out cool and warming up to my body temperature, at no point did Kailo get any warmer than that. When placing my hand on top of the Kailo it was clear that Kailo was very good at conducting heat from my hand through to my skin. However, I did not notice any reduction in the pain or aching.

I also asked another person who I knew experienced chronic pain to try Kailo. They left Kailo on for an hour, and told me they did not notice any improvement or pain relief at all either.

Kailo Money Back Policy?

I have returned my Kailo, posting it back to the USA on the 15th Feb, and expecting it to arrive before the 25th Feb. I will update this page in future if or when I have received a full refund.

Update (6th March): I successfully received a refund from Kailo via their Amazon store. No complaints there, but I clearly still wouldn’t recommend it!

Conclusion

At least for me, I have satisfied myself that Kailo has no value, and does not provide pain relief. However, from a scientific perspective, two people is really not enough of a sample size to really prove or disprove anything. I am expecting the kailo supporters may critique my review for this reason. However, when I have asked Kailo to provide copies of any scientific testing that they have done, they provided nothing at all. As there are many for whom Kailo “works”, I maintain my position that in the absence of proof otherwise (e.g. clinical double blind testing) any pain relief from Kailo is likely due to the placebo effect.

Finally I have one more Kailo article where I investigate – what are Kailo Pain Relief Patches really made of?

 

The Kailo packaging

 

 

 

 

120 Comments

  1. Cliff

    Interesting – a pity that you weren’t able to trial it on more people. Was that down to return and money-back issues? If you had been able to keep it longer and try it in a variety of situations and people I wonder if the results would have been the same.

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      Yes, I did want to test their return policy, and for that reason I was time constrained.

      However, it is not just a matter of finding more people! In order to show that the pain relief that some users see is not due to the placebo effect, we would need to perform double blind testing.

      The other reason I purchased the device was to identify what the “nano-capacitors” are made of, and that article will be published in the next few days.

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      • dermot mcgettigan

        Please send me the results of your nano tests.
        I got sucked into the site., but did not purchase it.
        I always Google for scams before I buy .thanks

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      • cristian

        Sam, thanks so much for your review of this product. I too became interested and sceptical after repeatedly seeing the adds on Youtube and thought I’d check it out. Glad I found you. Too many products like this pray on the vulnerable seeking a cure-all for pain. If it sounds too good to be true…Cheers mate and keep up the good work !

      • David.

        I’ve only just read about this product Kailo. I’ve never seen or used it. So I found your review interesting, but also somewhat annoying. It’s because of the language you use. You come at it with an agenda…. to prove it doesn’t work. You say you’ve written a few articles about Kailo already, yet not having tried it. It seems to me that you’ve already made your mind up, by only having negative reviews. Yet you say it does work for some people, but no reviews from them. You just want to prove that you’re right. So you buy one… and because you already believe it doesn’t work and you’ve backed that up with all the negative reviews … this is where your placebo kicks in and guess what? It doesn’t work. Had you not thought of that?
        Personally I think Kailo is a load of crap and I would never buy one. But I would have liked a bit more objectivity in your review. You sound as if your on a mission.

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          Thanks for your comment David. I can see how it would come across like that. Honestly, I do have an agenda – to show the truth. I’m mad that they are selling a product with such bold pseudo-scientific claims, but yet they have not done a scientific study, and they have provided zero proof of the mechanism of action. They are big boys, and they deserve intense scrutiny to match the confidence of their claims. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

          Their target market is people who will be sucked in by emotional deception. My goal is to get the conversation started, and to get people to engage the critical thinking part of their brain.

      • Ray

        Thanks for this article, my wife suffers from osteoporosis and arthritis and I watched the youtube add and thought that it could help with relieving her pain. Lucky I saw your tasting of the scam product otherwise I would have made the purchase. It sickens me when unscrupulous people play on the suffering of others and they are the lowest of the low. I’m also pleased that you have named the people involved with the scam and the other company involved. The will no doubt receive their reward eventually and I hope that it’s 20 years in a jail cell.

      • Liz

        I am an occupational therapist and very skeptical of claims about these types of devices etc and their use. So I thought I’d try itWell I have been using the patch for 2 weeks and I have had good pain relief! It does take some moving it around to find the right spot but when I do I do get good relief enough so that I can stretch and complete simple exercise that I could not before. They do state that it does not heal the pain but that is ok – because at least I can move now and bear weight on my leg which I could not before.

        • admin

          Hi Liz, I’m happy for you that you’ve found some relief. However, even with numerous anecdotes of Kailo working (and many more of it not working) I still can’t recommend it. For example: If it really works, and isn’t a placebo (placebo effect can be very strong – I fully believe your testimonial to its effectiveness!) — then why have they not done a single double blind study showing its effectiveness? Why have they not sought FDA approval?
          Kind regards,
          Sam

    • The product that the manufacture of this piece of plastic and nano-capacitors designed to look like a printed circuit and a coating of postit adhesive is really selling is brilliant marketing.

      Like all snake oil salesmen, they need a plausible story and they couple that with the human condition that they even admit to understanding perfectly well, that is, all humans feel pain at one time or another, and a good majority of them feel chronic pain. It is no mystery that we all want that pain to go away. We are dispositioned to WANTING to believe something, anything will work. That desire to be free of pain is the reason there is a multi-billion dollar food supplement industry selling just about as many kinds of pills. Unlike that industry however, his guy is very clever — the claim is that the patch relieves pain — no that it cures any disease so he doesn’t have to put that disclaimer that the supplement industry is required — i.e, “These statements have not be evaluated by the FDA. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease.” Very clever how the Kailo marketing spiel avoids all wording that would require them to put that disclaimer on the product.

      So this is a business model that makes profits by manufacturing a product that probably cost under $5 to produce and then sells for $100. Whether the product works or not is really irrelevant because the trick that way this business works is, much like the food supplement industry, there is always a given number of buyers who want the product to work, that the placebo effect kicks in. Those sales are a given. Then there is the other given that for the customers for whom it doesn’t work, there is also a given, known percentage who will not make the effort to return the product for the refund. If the company can calculate that between those two percentages they will still make a profit, they are good to go. Whether the product is effective really makes no difference. Add to that the other perfectly legal but nonetheless marketing trick of the SUBSCRIPTION “deal” where the company ships product AUTOMATICALLY at intervals, even there, research shows that there is a percentage of customers don’t even realize the automatic billing nature of the sale and there is also a percentage who, while they may decide they don’t want the product, they miss the mandatory cancellation period and are charged at least one, perhaps two more times. This has all been scientifically researched and is know to anyone deciding to set up a less that honest business. The main point is, the product’s efficacy is a moot point because if all the right boxes are ticked, the scam will make money. Which is why a piece of plastic with what is called an “antenna” to receive? or transmit? signal that stop pain between the source and the brain which is worth a couple of bucks can be sold for $100 and the company can rake in millions before it eventually will go out of business as the work finally spreads. But mind you, they know that as well and it’s built into that business model, so they are already working on the next antenna to what, magically shrink hemorrhoids? Wny not!

      The flag that I tell anyone they should be looking for is very simple. If a piece of plastic and little capacitors arranged in patterns that look like the circles in the SciFi movie could relieve pain, why hasn’t isn’t every hospital and doctor’s office handing these out like candy? Might it be BECAUSE THEY DON’T WORK?!

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      • Cliff Oliver

        I totally agree with your assessment of the current marketing and selling methods of today’s health market. Well done.

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        • Philip

          Watch for my special pain relief product for suckers It may look like a 9volt battery but it has special tech behind it – you place this on your tongue and the brain receptors will take away all pain from the rest of your body while you distract it – don’t worry I guarantee a 100% refund for any unused product 🙏😜😀

      • Lisa

        Hi Frankie. I agree that this is a perfect set up for a scam. The only thing I disagree with is your statement that if this worked, doctors’ offices would be handing them out like candy. If something like this worked, it would be an enemy to big pharma, because they want to keep selling lots of pills, and they’d act to supress it.

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        • Jay D Jackson

          there are very few doctors who want to hear about cures that would make you stay away from the doctors. I was told i was type 2 diabetic in 2017, i immediately went on a diet and started taking organic liquid vitamin and mineral suppliment daily. after 3 weeks my blood sugar was normal and i havent taken metformin since, i now weigh 160, started at 200. my latest a1c came back 5.7, my doctor is no longer my go to and now going to one who is open to what works to keep his patients healthy with long and quality life

          • admin

            Most doctors have given up on their patients being able to change their behaviour as you did. Patient compliance is low for even just taking meds, going on a diet? Very rare. Congrats though – our standard knowledge of diabetes being incurable is slowly beginning to change thank goodness. But there ARE good doctors out there who stay up to date on the research and will gladly partner with you on your health.

      • Darrel

        One should remember that drug manufactures would lose a lot of money if they admitted something like this really worked! I do not trust some one debunking things like this because such people could be paid off for discrediting such things. They can say they are credible but lets see the proof!

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          Well done Darrel, really great job at dismissing everything I have written 🤣. I especially loved the part where you didn’t comment on Kailo’s credibility.

          To be clear: these are my own articles. No company has paid or compensated me for anything related to Kailo.

        • Adam

          I’m sure the 1 star reviews on Amazon are all from paid drug abusers too, right? The product on Amazon has an average 3 stars, with 38% 5-star and 37% 1-star reviews. That looks like it either works or it doesn’t. Much like what would be expected from a placebo…

        • Matt

          Whether Kailo works or not Darrel, I find your comment hypocritical and hilarious. You say you don’t trust people like the author of this article debunking things because they could be paid off, yet make no mention of most authors of glowing online reviews/videos of products who (it may surprise you but doubt it) are actually paid off! You also ask for proof but don’t mention about what you want proved – I’m guessing the debunking of the product. Yet once again you fail to mention that you’d like proof from the manufacturer of the product regarding it’s claims.

          On the general point of who to believe and who not to, it is most prudent to not base your beliefs on what one particular review says, but to get your information from multiple sources. It also helps to “look behind the veil” and see the where and why of a review, as when you do that you’ll be surprised at the links you’ll find.

          As for any product claiming to do anything of a medical nature, whether that be pain relief, weight loss, improved concentration, better sex life, etc. pay close attention to the exact wording used in the descriptions and claims. If it never goes any further than “may help”, “could assist” or “some people have found” then I would be very hesitant about throwing money towards it, as that suggests limited or no scientific testing of the product. If on reading the wording you think the description/claims mean the company could not be sued for the product not working as expected by the customer, then you can be sure it is not a reliable product.

      • Jim Holznagel

        My name is Jim H, I too have
        chronic pain in my left lower leg and foot. This was caused by a surgeon who operated on the L4 L5 area of my back.
        This was in 1997. When I awoke in recovery the pain was there. Now comes the Kailo, I just got it today and have had it on for 3 plus hrs. My pain is mostly gone.It is replaced by tingling. Pain went from a 7+ to a 4.I love it.

          • Pamela Stephens

            You do not know it is a placebo effect for this gentleman or anyone else. Nowhere in YOUR review did you state where you placed it and that you put it on as directed or that the other person did (In between the area of the pain and the brain) AND you were already negative about it which can also have a “placebo effect”. I tend to agree more with the gentleman than had the botched surgery pain going from a 7 to a 4 than your assessment of only checking yourself and one person without full disclosure of how your testing was done , applied and the other persons mindset. Just like telling people masks don’t work. Masks are meant to keep you from having your breathing off others.
            I’m getting one.😷

          • admin

            Hey – you’re right, I don’t know if it is a placebo effect or not. That’s the whole problem! If we have no way of knowing whether or not it is a placebo, then how can you actually be sure you haven’t been scammed? The burden of proof is on Kailo, not me.

            As for your critique about my testing methodology? This is an n=2 study, hardly worth the time you took to read it. I wanted to test it out for myself on myself, and on someone else too. Yes, I did use it as directed in multiple locations. Regardless, until Kailo do a double blind clinical trial I would recommend to completely ignore all results of unscientific testimonials like mine or others.

            By all means, you can ignore the red flags if you want, but I’m not surprised. Pain sucks, and their slick marketing plays a sweet sweet siren song to those in pain. For your sake, I hope you find some relief.

            Best,
            Sam

  2. AJ

    Disclaimer – I am a new distributor of the nCAP patches up in Canada.

    (Sam) – Here is my review of your review 🙂

    First thing I should point out is that Kailo and nCAP are not affiliated and there only tie to each other that I am aware of is through the technology that Kailo has licensed from nCAP. I don’t see you mention anywhere that you have talked to the owner of nCAP (as he was the one who started this whole thing) about the product and how it works so saying nCAP is making claims about how the Kailo works is not true. I’m splitting hairs here but all Kailo did was license the Technology. They came up with their own product and advertising using that technology, not nCAP.

    Good on you for ordering one so you could put it through its paces and prove one way or the other if it actually does what they say it does. Unfortunately your line about properly reviewing it is not 100% accurate as we find out in the your review that it was only tested on two people (one with a heavy bias towards it being a fake and the other I’m not sure how they felt about the product). It does sound like the major reason for buying it was just to test out what you mention is the “money back return policy”. I agree that is extremely important and would totally agree in your claim of it being a scam if you don’t get your money back, but the reason for you wanting one in the first place was to take it to your lab and put it through its paces as well test it on numerous unbiased people. You could have asked for a small donation from everyone to help compensate you for the cost of purchasing it. In fact why not do that for your freight forwarder cost (USA to Australia and then back) that you will not get reimbursed for from Kailo. I will contribute to it if you do. Let’s see another so called “snake oil salesman” do that.

    I love the reaction from the one person who said “It’s sticky…ew”. Here’s my review on that sticky pad. Yes it is sticky for about a week only. Giving it a quick wash as recommended will only get you another couple days use of it before you have to replace the sticky pad. At least this is what I found when I use my Kailo instead of the nCAP on certain occasions. As far as it not being particularly pleasant against the skin I can see that but scotch tape or duct tape on the skin wouldn’t be pleasant either. This tape can be used to stick the patch to the inside of a shirt, or pants as well. You also don’t need to use the adhesive if you don’t want to.

    Your pain relief tests do not mention if you tried different spots or just slapped it on in one place and then hoped for the best. I find I still have to sometimes move the patch around until I find the sweet spot as the pain does not always originate in the same place.

    Your conclusion paragraph was well written and a good review of your experience with the Kailo product. It is not in my favor but we already knew that the patch will not work on everyone and running the test on yourself when you are very biased makes it even more difficult to sway your mind. As mentioned in a previous post I did, I have been informed of a US university that has been selected to and will be starting the clinical double blind testing on the nCAP patch in the near future. You mention this is the only way to truly prove it works or it doesn’t. I promise to make the results available to you however they turn out (your favor or mine).

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      Thanks for your feedback AJ.

      nCAP and Kailo are both are based in Utah.

      I read the nCAP Antenna patent extensively and Kailo appears to match this description almost perfectly.

      I have less information about nCAP, but I doubt that the core “technology” differs in any significant way. I use quotes because I don’t believe these products are anything other than a placebo.

      Until reliable independent double-blind scientific testing has been performed and the results shared, I will not be recommending either product.

      You seem like a nice person – I’m sorry to rain on your parade, but I strongly believe in speaking up for truth and evidence.

      I really wish that nCAP and Kailo were the breakthrough technology that they promised to be. Even though I believed it wasn’t possible, I actually was really hoping to be proved wrong after trying Kailo myself.

      Kind regards,
      Sam

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      • Greg

        Sam I agree with you completely and I appreciate your review. I think this guy above who claims to be an nCAP distributor is likely full of crap and probably either with Kailo itself or a buddy of the owner. I came across your review because I found myself quite skeptical after watching Kailo’s hokey ad on YouTube a few min ago. The 48 year old spokesman that claims to be a coach is clearly an actor as well as several of the people that appear to be freaking out over just how well it works. If the product may not work on everyone, why only feature glowing testimonials from people that it does. This IS a SCAM and It’s very sad to see how many people are so gullible to be duped by this nonsense.

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          Disclaimer – I am a new distributor of the nCAP patches up in Canada

          (Greg) FYI – My only association with Kailo is the fact I bought it from a facebook ad and the results I personally got from using it on myself led me to nCAP and becoming a distributor…the rest is history…period.

          You made me laugh out loud when you said “If the product may not work on everyone, why only feature glowing testimonials from people that it does” All I can say is you obviously have never been in business for your self and if you were and also followed what you said above, I can fully understand why you are not in business now.

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          • Greg

            AJ,

            I actually have a bachelor’s in business management as well as an MBA and I have had much experience implementing what I’ve learned for 20 years now. I believe you very well may be a distributor for this nonsense, but you obviously lack ethics and morals and are solely interested in boosting your sales revenue. If you can’t provide scientific proof that this product relieves pain in 100% of persons that have sampled it, it shouldn’t be portrayed as though it does, such as is done in Kailo’s hack ad online. It’s very misleading and dishonest. If you have to resort to that to make a buck, you must not be that good of a businessman yourself.

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          • If you want people to buy your product… why are you scolding them instead of winning their confidence.

            I have more than 30 years of experience being self employed. I have had successful and failed businesses, I’ve seen it all.

            You are the one who does not understand how to run a self owned business. You have absolutely no understanding of customer service or effective self promotion and communications in order to build brand loyalty. In fact you are a liability to this company based on your post.

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    • Niamh

      Hold the phone AJ, you just contradicted your company’s advert (that led me here) I saw on YouTube.

      I am a chronic pain sufferer and I’m sick of people getting rich off people, nonsensical with being in constant pain. If the founder was a good Christian, he wouldn’t be profiting from vulnerable people. I’m not religious but I’m sure JC had dim views on charlatans.

      Pain relief involves finding the cause and determining where in the system (your body) needs fixing. Holistic analysis, much like mechanics. Slapping a sticker on isn’t fixing anything, literally! If there’s a hell, you sir are going there. Qualifications do not equate to having good ethics and morals.

      Good balanced review, thank you. YouTube should ban these types of ads.

      • Niamh

        If I put a sticker on the engine I’m fixing, will it fix the cracked piston? How about a hologram on a rubber bracelet? No????? The human system is no different. Muppet!

  3. Arah

    My wife (a chronic pain sufferer) just recently saw an add for Kailo and asked me (a science geek/software engineer) for my technical opinion: scam or real? And after a fruitless jaunt on their official website for any real science or medical information (their pseudo-science word jumble of the day being eminently ignorable), a quick search of Ye Olde Interwebs led me to you.

    First, thanks for putting in the time and money. Even if you do get your refund, I doubt you’re getting a refund on the shipping forwarder. (As an American that lived abroad for a few years, I know how that goes.) So kudos for what you have done.

    That said … WTF is their science supposed to even be?

    It makes no sense. Nano capacitors that replace antennas? Okay… Maybe such a thing exists as an antenna … though even then, antennas have to be shaped/sized/tuned to specific frequencies. So what frequencies are these nCAP antennas tuned to? (How does one even tune them?) And are they receiving or broadcasting? And how when they don’t have any electronics to do so? Or power? Even the nCAP itself as an antenna raises a lot of questions to me that aren’t being explained, but to then turn that into a pain patch? WTF? It just does not compute. There are sooooo many questions here.

    Not to mention, even IF Kailo worked exactly how they claim it works … how would that actually help anyone?

    Improving the nervous system efficiency would result in more pain, not less. You’d be far better off adding a filter to reduce signal noise than you would to boost the signal.

    None of their “official” science description makes any sense from an intentional product design.

    HOWEVER, there are a number of accidental possibilities that I wonder about.

    My first thought is that, as you noted, whatever the heck these magic nano particles may or may not be doing, intentionally or accidentally, the material does conduct heat. Is heat conductivity alone enough to reduce or alleviate some people’s pain? I don’t know. I do know that my wife’s nerves are especially sensitive to heat, so I wonder if just adding a glorified heat sink to an area of significant inflammation might help some people? The next time she has an especially inflamed muscle, maybe I’ll glue some aluminum foil to her and find out. Maybe that’s all Kailo is and does.

    But it also, theoretically, is possible that A) body heat is absorbed by a nano material which in turn B) powers nano particles into weakly emitting EM radiation, which C) somehow filters or disrupts pain receptors and/or signal transmission through nerves. A is possible. B is possible, but improbable. And C? Highly improbable, but …maybe? A and B would be easy tests to perform for someone with access to the right equipment. Not sure how anyone could test C.

    And then what about chemistry? Unlikely, but possible, the glue, plastics, or other materials involved could contain an accidental (or intentional) dose of a topical anesthetic. Or some other agent. Or that any of these could, when combined with sweat or body heat, break down into some such chemical agent. Again, all things that could be tested if one had access to a chemistry lab.

    But it makes me wonder if there aren’t real scientific explanations that could be theorized, listed, and tested to prove or disprove … that just have absolutely nothing to do with the alleged science behind Kailo.

    Either way, I’m not about to order Kailo for my wife. Their official scientific claims make no sense even if one could believe them to be completely true, which one can’t with what little information they do give.

    But I do wonder if accidentally there is any mechanism which may help some people beyond being a placebo, and how funny it would be if there was. Kind of like building a radar antenna that also turns out to be a convenient way to reheat old foodstuffs.

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      From a purely scientific perspective it’s actually quite an interesting product idea – but the energy balance just doesn’t work out. I do like your analogy about the microwaves though, it’s a fun and quite believable narrative that this was some kind of “accidental miraculous discovery” 😂! I’ll be posting another article later this week with some more basic material analysis.

      • AJ

        Disclaimer – I am a new nCAP distributor in Canada.

        (Sam) – As far as I understand it and have been told by the original creator of the technology, it was an accidental discovery. The product was never intended for anything besides what it was originally designed to do and that had nothing to do with putting it on people.

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        • Walt

          You now sound like you are back tracking on your earlier comments of validity. My wife has 2 herniated (L4 & L5) discs in her back. We have been trying for years to find comfort for her. I did the research and would not even hope for this to be a solution. No valid scientific evidence that it works. I have to agree with the author that those feeling relief may be having a placebo effect.

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          • April

            Walt,

            Hopefully this reaches you, but I also have a herniated disk in my L5 so I can relate to your wife’s agony. However I am not sure if you or her have ever heard of McKenzie stretches therapy? I have just started reading the book but there many videos on YouTube that touch on this treatment. Basically he is a renowned physical therapist who discovered these exercise/stretches in the 1950’s. Please check out his work. This has literally changed my life with my back! Not selling anything or making any claims just trying to give hope from one back pain suffer to another.

    • admin

      We’ve definitely been thinking alike. I was also wondering about the possibility of some kind of medication in the adhesive to, the only thing that put me off that theory was that they advertise it as not needing to be in contact with skin. After trying on myself, I’m pretty sure that that’s not the case.

      I also took this photo a few days ago maybe you’ll laugh at this….
      … I present, Kailo 1.0!

      • AJ

        Disclaimer – I am a new nCAP distributor in Canada.

        (Sam) – The nCAP patch is buried inside a cloth type material and comes with cloth pouches that you place the patch in and then either put it against your skin or on the outside of a shirt, pant, sock, etc.. That alone pretty much guarantees there is no medication or lotions/potions of any kind that are causing the pain reduction.

    • Kracker

      Bingo didnt take me long to realize all this is is a conductor of heat. Hence if your body does not conduct well it won’t work and seondly it doesnt work for nerve pain i am sure what it is working on is either muscle pain or inflamation. chronic pain is neither it is nerve pain so this product only has the possibility to help those with pain caused from an imbalance, inflamation or muscle injury

  4. David Schminck

    An 87% success claim does not equate to a placebo effect. Either this 87% claim is bogus or the patent holder does not know how it does what is claimed with respect to pain reduction.

    For argument, assume the 87% success rate is more or less accurate. A testable hypothesis on how it might work can be advanced. In the straw man hypothesis below, elements (a) , (b), (c) and (d) are all testable.

    Strawman hypothesis: (a) the patch carries a small electromagnetic field; (b) the tiny electromagnetic field carried on the outside of active afferent neurons, A-delta fibres and C fibres, is amplified when the patch is correctly placed; (c) feedback from the patch over time increases the amplification to some overload value in the field carried on the outside of the fibres ; (d) the overload on the outside of the fibers interferes at the axon with the signal being carried through the neuron body, down regulating the the signal that is transmitted back to the brain.

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  5. rogelio zuñiga barragan

    Hi
    I am not in favor or find the product, but I bought it for my mother who has pain due to age and illness.
    I received the product and placed it looking for the right place between pain and brain the result was that of the two different pains my mother suffers, one disappeared while using the kailo and the other decreased 80%
    my mother didn’t know what it was for
    He just told me my pain went away
    I kept monitoring the pain for 15 days
    and kept working.
    When the patch was removed the pain returned.

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    • Greg

      How long have you been friends with someone affiliated with Kailo or how much did they pay you for you to write this? Just curious.

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      • AJ

        Disclaimer – I am a new distributor of the nCAP patches up in Canada

        (Greg) Now if this isn’t a perfect example of outing yourself as “Troll” I have no idea what is.

        I wish I had seen this post prior to wasting my time responding to one of yours earlier.

        This takes away from Sam’s work and the conversation he has started on the subject. It’s a shame….

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        • Greg

          AJ, you’re a fool. Your comment has only received multiple thumbs down so far. I’ll wager a majority of people reading these comments will agree with me. You’re the type of dishonest money grubbing hack that would try to put someone up to leaving a positive experience here. Don’t deny it. You’re the troll here buddy. How many fake email accounts do you plan to create to try and support your nonsense claims? You’re despicable. But please, go ahead and continue to rant at me. You’re just making yourself look like a fool now.

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            All someone has to do is open a different browser (google, safari, IE, Edge, etc…) and give a thumbs down on the post. The blog doesn’t know any better so one person could easily leave 5-6 thumbs down. Nice try.

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      • peter

        Greg is right, any anecdotal stories are irrelevant, what’s relevant, is the science behind the product, which in this case is very thin. However, if paying $200 for patches that you believe makes you feel better, it is your business, I guess.

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          Dear Admin.

          I call em like I see em. Trust me, calling AJ a fool was taking “the high road” considering his comments. I’m done with him though so no worries. I wish you luck here though. Your blog is good for people to see.

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    • Kath

      Unable to have my steroid injections for my knee pain, due to the pandemic, [ I am waiting for a knee replacement} , putting my foot to the floor was pain level *10* .
      So this is my third day I have had my Kailo patch on, once I found the right place to stick it down, this took a few seconds my pain is almost gone, am able to ( walk ) slowly around the house, this has been life changing for me , What more can I say except thank you KAILO.

  6. Jeff Gamez

    JG 3/3/20

    I receive this product the last week of February and I tried it on my lower back 1st. I left it there for about 12 hours and no relief in my pain.
    I had pain on my arm and I tried it there for 20 hours and nothing happened still had the pain.
    I woke up in the morning and I had a headache so as I was laying in bed I put the patch on my forehead for about an hour. I didn’t feel anything happening in the first couple of seconds like it claims. About 6 hours later I tried to get up and I was spinning . I didn’t know what to think and what to do. I decided to lay on the floor. I was trying to get up but I was spinning around and rocking back and forth. I had a hold onto the wall to get up.
    Called my Doctor told them my symptoms and told me it’s Vertigo, what a coincidence I tried this product and now it affects my work!
    I did notice you didn’t leave a Invoice for what I bought or a return address to return the product!

    • Greg

      Jeff I sympathize with your unfortunate situation. Perhaps you should try to contact AJ for information on getting your refund. This blog is completely saturated with his comments and he claims to be a distributor for this product. Something tells me he won’t respond to you though because there’ll be no money in it for him.

      Best of luck to you though sir.

      • AJ

        Disclaimer – I am a new distributor of the nCAP patches up in Canada

        (Jeff) You should have received an invoice in your email when you originally bought this product online from Kailo. That should have the return address noted on it. Failing that, just look at their website and grab the information from there.

        (Greg) nCAP is not Kailo. There is no affiliation between the 2 companies outside of Kailo licensing the technology from nCAP. That’s like saying the widget you bought at wal-mart can be returned at Costco????

        Now if it was an nCAP product you have a 37 day refund period (not 14) and depending upon the circumstance I’ve even told people to just keep it when they’ve called me for info on how to return it.

        (Peter) You are correct with your statement “science behind the product, which in this case is very thin”. If they want to be taken more seriously they need to do studies. I get that and I totally understand why people are skeptical.

        (Everyone) It really is a shame that some people can’t just have a civilized conversation about something without all this other garbage spewing from their mouth. They are looking for a reaction and wanting to disrupt the exchange of information as they hide behind their keyboard.

        Although I do not completely agree with Sam and his findings I am thankful he started the conversation as I have read things related to the product that has made me investigate further so I am more aware of what makes this product tick.

        Also let’s not forget I have promised Sam the results of the upcoming double blind study regardless of it being good or bad for nCAP. Now does this sound like a person who has been described by someone as “dishonest money grubbing hack/despicable/fool”. Doesn’t quite fit does it.

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        • Greg

          Whatever dude. BLUF: regardless of the affiliation, the “thin science” is the SAME. The fact that you’re a distributor establishes that you are BIASED, as your potential profit is contingent on its overall success. Try not to take it so personal that not everyone buys into the bogus claims of this product.

          • AJ

            Greg – Go through all my posts and try and point out anywhere that I’ve said the science was sound and proven. I’m pretty sure you’ll find I have readily admitted that studies need to be done so there is proof of it working (or not working). As it stands right now we only have what the company says so you have to take it with a grain of salt. The bottom line for me is it works for me and that’s all I really care about. If I make some money selling it then so be it and if it helps anybody like me then great. I’m not losing any sleep over it one way or the other.

            Now also go through the same posts try and find anywhere I have taken it personally that someone doesn’t believe it could work. There is of course a difference between someone saying it doesn’t work and someone spewing anger, You’re the latter.

            I have no desire to argue and try and persuade someone who comes out swinging that the product might help them. I would never be successful doing that as I am not a high pressure sales person. If you don’t like the product or don’t believe what the company says about it then that’s fine. You’ve made your choice and I respect that. I would think most people reading this blog and the others on Sam’s site would agree that I’m not the one taking it personal here.

            I am not sure why but for some reason you have had a very negative opinion of me from the very start, even though we have never met or talked before in person.

            I am done responding to you now. I will let you be the last to post something. Make it memorable.

          • Greg

            I’m not spewing anger, as you put it nor have I taken anything personal. I simply think this product is bogus and the youtube ad cheesy and misleading. Don’t go acting all innocent now though. Earlier in this thread you mocked my knowledge of basic advertising and you also referred to me as a troll. What, you forget about that? Hopefully this response was memorable enough for you.

      • Buck Lawrence

        Greg,
        You don’t seem to be reading AJ’s posts very carefully. He is not promoting the Kailo, and his comments seem level-headed to this American engineer. I also keep an open mind for what cannot be explained at first. That’s what they call magic.
        I don’t know you, or AJ, or Sam, but just showed up here for the discussion. I’ll hold off trying out either of the products until the tests are published, or the costs go down to a reasonable level.

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        • Greg

          Congratulations Lawrence. And thanks for keeping me posted on the status of your independent research. I’m on the edge of my seat with anticipation. 8-D

          • admin

            Hi Greg, I think you may be misreading Buck’s intent here. Sarcasm may not be the best option to go with if you want to win people over.

          • Greg

            I respectfully disagree with you. He mentioned me by name, stating that he doesn’t think I read AJ’s comments carefully. Then he proceeds to bore me with his future plans to independently research it. I frankly couldn’t care less, hence the sarcasm.

  7. Dr Scott

    While I agree that at this moment there is no scientific evidence due to lack of scientific medical trials we have been using the placebo in the medical community for years, the placebo effect is scientifically proven to work on some why? we don’t know why but it does so for those people it works for it is a life altering experience to be pain free.
    I have 2PhD’s and a medical degree and have seen the placebo effect work in practice so for me if the placebo works for some people then is there any reason not to try? apart from the price of course the return period should be extended to 60 days to see if the patch works for them.

    • admin

      I agree that there’s nothing inherently wrong with selling the product as a placebo – however, I don’t agree with deceptive marketing claiming it works via “nanoparticle magic”, and that is the purpose of my article, to blow their scientific smokescreen wide open.

  8. Lisa

    My question is what does it matter if you’re biased against it? You can be biased against a pain pill but it still works. Biased against Tens unit, still works. The only reason it wouldn’t work if you don’t believe it will work, is the placebo effect. Power of suggestion. Too bad. I’ve had migraines for over 25 years & spondylolisthesis plus slipped disc & arthritis. Was hoping it would be a miracle. Will not be ordering. Thanks for the honest review.

  9. DD

    People have been wearing copper for centuries for pain. Copper is a good conductor of heat and electricity.
    The plastic alone is good at conducting heat from your skin. Scrap copper electrical wire makes nice bracelets and earrings without the high cost. ‘;D

  10. Mac

    Thanks for checking this out. I really needed this to work but can’t afford to blow a hundred bucks (prolly wouldn’t’ve bothered to return) although it looks like I’m about to drop 5grand on surgery! Looking past the details and all your research here, were it the “miracle “ they infer, you’d see it demonstrated out in the malls, gymnasiums, Walmart, and right where droves of people are! We all would have gotten our chance to see it. Heck! I’d sell it! Lol.. Most of us need this and I just wanted to believe 🙁 .. So much easier to hustle us all online. Btw, reviews from Amazon not so great. That’s when I searched a little further and found this thread. I’m still learning that if it sounds too good to be true… boohoo~ Mucho Thanks Sammy for saving my time!

    • admin

      Thanks Mac. That’s one my favorite sayings:
      • If it’s too good to be true, it probably is.
      • The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.
      • The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits.
      • Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes. After that who cares?… He’s a mile away and you’ve got his shoes!
      • Don’t take life too seriously. You will never get out of it alive.

  11. Berd

    As a member of the LDS faith and someone who has lived in Utah my whole life, I can attest that there is a unnaturally high prevalence of these types of products and these types of companies. This is also often combined with multilevel marketing, another dishonest way to do business.
    In addition, there is a tendency for these kind of shady deals to percolate and involve members of local LDS congregations. One guy has some amazing business idea and tries to recruit people at church. There is a massive amount of fraud perpetrated this way in Utah, sometimes even from our lay ecclesiastical leadership.
    I am not sure why it’s like this other than people assume their fellow neighbors and churchgoers are honest. The LDS church has even published guidance about this, advising people to not get involved or spread this kind of bullshit.
    So of course this product is snake oil bullshit packaged and presented for the modern era. It makes me really pissed off to see that it still goes on, especially like this among a population that processes to live a higher standard than the world at large.
    They will of course not do a scientific study because it will show what we all know, that it’s bullshit. You are very cordial and professional with your replies and articles but I think people like this are thieving douchebags and deserve to be called that for swindling people in need. If I ever run into this guy who founded the company, I will tell him the same.

    • christopher neve

      Berd, if everybody rushed to judgment and jumped to conclusions like you clearly have here, they would never have the chance to get a testimony. you should remind yourself of that, too. i have no skin in the game and am curious, and that is what the desire to find truth is all about. after that, it takes a leap of faith to move to action. if there is a moneyback guarantee that is honored, i don’t understand 1)why people in need and desirous to find out would not try it, and 2)why people like greg and you (to a lesser extent) would expend so much energy and time criticizing it on a hunch. it may or may not work. i don’t know, but i really don’t understand your attitudes or comments, for sure. nobody ever found truth about anything by deciding for themselves in a corner 😉

      • admin

        We have good methods for finding truth – namely, the scientific method. You say you “don’t understand”: as I have said several times, because of the placebo effect, trying it just on yourself is not a valid way of proving that this product is not a scam.

        I’m proud that there are people that really care about whether or not they are being told lies. I don’t believe they are just “criticizing it on a hunch” – that’s a disingenuous statement for sure. If you don’t object to being duped, by all means – try away!

        As for the “iron clad” money back guarantee – I regularly get ignorant people contacting ME demanding a refund on their Kailo because they can’t get a refund from the manufacturer. So yeah, try at your own risk – I’m certainly not going to guarantee you’ll get a refund.

  12. Adam

    Hi Sam!

    I’ve read your posts on this and I can’t wait the third part about what’s actually in these pads! Any word on when that might come out?

    Thanks!

  13. Nick from Michigan

    I post this not in the expectation that anyone will take it seriously but because I can’t stand by and see anything rebuked by naysayers who are prejudiced from the get-go. I too suspected snake-oil products when I read the reviews, but researched the reviews and felt that there was much more positive reviews than negative. I’ve seen many products with obviously faked glowing praise, there are certain things that give them away under scrutiny.
    But, I’m a 71-year old man who suffered a serious deep- muscle injury (self inflicted, duh) as a young man. For many decades it was fine unless I really overdid it, then there was medium pain for a brief time that went away with ibuprofen. About 3-4 years ago it gradually got worse, both in intensity and frequency, until finally dull pain was constantly there and even simple things like raking, stooping to pick multiple things off the floor, etc caused enough pain to make me need to sit down and rest my back. Walking , sitting and lying in bed were the only safe activities”. Last year it really limited the things I enjoy doing and I dreaded the coming years. So I felt I had nothing to lose by trying Kailo, and ordered two just to satisfy my self that I wasn’t missing out. With no serious expectation, I tried it out when they arrived. I stuck it on right where the pain was, worst and expected to see results – or not – in a few hours. I was astonished to feel immediate relief- the pain went from 5 or so down to around 0.5 or less, virtually undetectable since I’d developed pain tolerance over time. There was a little pain still in the back just below the device, so a day later I moved it down a bit, and and that cleared up right away. Two days later I still feel great, have no pain and look forward to doing more active things once the Coronavirus quarantine is over or the weather warms up for yard activities.
    Sure, this is anecdotal but these things need real investigation before being put down by skeptics. I suspect back pain from pinched nerves or collapsed discs could have vastly different results so this isn’t proof of anything except that, for me, it worked as advertised. Accept or reject it as you choose, but know that the “tests” described here demonstrate nothing except that in one case, the return policy worked. Sure, you had to pay postage but not one penny went to the company so they gained nothing except one example that they didn’t lie about the return policy. Nuff said.

    • admin

      Hi Nick,

      I fully believe you. I have no reason to think otherwise. I’m happy you’ve found some relief.

      Let’s hypothesise – let’s say the makers of Kailo came out and said, “we lied, it really does nothing, and any effect you experienced is due to coincidence, the power of the mind, or the placebo effect.” What would your reaction be? I presume, that you would not care – since the product currently is working for you. But what about next week, when you apply it, and it seems to be a bit weaker? Or next month when it no longer seems to actually provide any relief? What would you do then? Would you purchase another one?

      Kailo provided me a refund. I am the only person on the internet that has critically reviewed their product. Do you think they are not aware of me? Do you think they would not be aware of the backlash if they did not provide me a refund? They have clear incentives to be “nice” to me, even after everything I have said.

      Take care, stay indoors, wash your hands, and I wish you the best of health.

      P.S don’t put Kailo near your heart, as its powerful effect could affect your signals from your brain and that could be fatal.

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  14. Judie

    To all, thank you for your insightful observations . Anxiously awaiting double blind tests with placebo and non- placebo peeps. Hummm… how would that work…

  15. Perry from Belmont Shore

    Sam, thanks for taking the time to perform such a thorough review. Your review made me pause and think, as did Nick’s experience. Need to do more research on this before dropping a dime. Thanks again for the review!

    • admin

      Thanks Perry – I appreciate that! That’s all my goal is — to hopefully cut through the emotional pressure, and just get people to assess their product critically for themselves.

  16. Rick

    When I saw the ad talking about relieving pain with a simple magic patch, it looked interesting. Then when they mentioned nanocapacitors, I thought – oh, here we go again. If you are interested in a little history of the ncap “technology”, try a google search on “spray on antenna” and “chamtech”. I was involved in evaluating the spray-on antenna story to see if there was anything to it. This is the same scam bs from a few years ago – repackaged.

  17. Marie

    Where are the NIH studies to show it’s effectiveness? Scientists are studying nanotechnology in the treatment of pain however, I couldn’t find any clinical trials showing the success of this product.

  18. Robert in Austin

    Thanks for reviewing this. I’m a chronic pain patient with a bad spinal injury that is permanent. I’ve tried everything over the years to reduce burning and my family & friends are always sending me news of the latest gimmick. Lessons I’ve learned from an army of doctors & therapists as well as double spinal cord stimulator implants convinces me this can’t work any better than the placebo effect, at least for me. But I really just wanted to comment on others’ comments. People sometimes look for something you didn’t say and ding you for it. You very well might have performed the task they are complaining about but it’s not practical to list every little detail and still keep the review interesting. So folks I’m suggesting instead of saying “you didn’t do this or that…” ask instead “did you?” Or “have you thought of…?” People need honest feedback on products, saying “you didn’t “ is a subliminal form of planting doubt in the review. I’m grateful to you for giving it a go.

    • admin

      Hi Robert, thanks for your comment. I appreciate your sincerity. I hope that you we as a society can find a better solution than just dodgy placebos. I wish you all the best.

    • admin

      Yes – the product you linked is common internationally, and is recognised as a conventional pain relief aid, for some conditions – for temporary pain relief only, they list on the box that it provides up to 8 hours of pain relief.

      That product lists the active ingredients found in their patches: Camphor, Menthol and Methyl Salicylate. Considering these chemicals (especially menthol and camphor!) have very strong and distinctive odours, I can confirm that those two at least are not in the adhesive provided by kailo.

  19. Rick C

    I can see this product going down the MLM route. the fact it already has distributors backs this up, and it is now getting extensive advertising space on youtube.. the whole presentation video, just screams,.. look at me, im a scam,.. give me your money.. even more concerning is after all this time they havnt found one shill Doctor to back up their claims, and still no scientific evidence for any of the mumbo jumbo. hopefully this article will gain more traction and people wont be caught out.

    • admin

      Hey Rick! Thanks for commenting. There’s clearly a lot of desperate people out there – here’s a review from their website: “I really thought that was going to be like the magic elixir for back pain.“. Clearly, people actually don’t care about how something works, all they care about is whether or not it works for them.

      Hopefully, by sharing the truth about the product and its’ creators it will be hard for any kind of MLM effort to get off the ground.

      It’s very amusing to me that I can tell easily when they start and stop their advertising campaigns. All of a sudden, my site daily view stats go absolutely mental, and the comments start to flood in… youtube seems to be their new focus at the moment.
      If I didn’t hate advertising as much as I do, I might have regrets about not running ads on my site!

      I’ve had far, far more views on my site in the last 3 months from the kailo series, as I’ve had on my blog over the rest of its entire lifetime. All I can say is – I hope it’s helping some people!

      Cheers,
      Sam

  20. James

    Your an Aussie OI OI OI mate! Keep doing (whatever supreme being you follow)’s work and bring glory to the Australian identity.

    • James

      Also thanks for reviewing the product mate, i’ve seen some weird inventions in the past few years, and felt this believable. Then i wanted to know how true this was. Thanks a million.

  21. Lili

    Have you looked into the possibility that it works on fascia restrictions? Just like Bowen therapy, pain many times goes away just with a specific move on a specific part. I was wondering if it was based on fascia activation.

    • admin

      It’s been really interesting aspect of this Kailo journey, that there have been many suggestions brought up that I had never heard of. I’m open minded. Lets put aside the complete lack of evidence that Kailo actually works, and just look at the people that claim it works for them: by all means, sure, it could be any number of possibilities that science is not aware of.

      While I had heard of it, I knew nothing about Myofacial Release therapy before today. From a brief look, it appears that (just like Kailo), there is no robust scientific evidence that Myofacial Release works. As an Australian, it sounds like I should know about Bowen therapy – but it too is discredited as an ineffective therapy. I understand you are a bowtech technician. I don’t know what to say about that – presumably you have clients who are very happy with your services. If that’s the case, and they are getting the relief that they hoped everytime, then that’s great, so I have to wonder why it is (apparently quite firmly) not a recognised treatment.

      But hey, I’m not saying it’s all bad – a good leg massage always helps a treat to ease after leg day!

      More seriously, Kailo claims it can offer relief when put it on clothing, which certainly offers no/minimal interaction with the muscular system.

  22. Hoya Guy

    I’ve found (the product) works great on my lower back pain…read many reviews that it works on neck, shoulder and arm/leg pain too. Have you tried it, or know anyone who has?

    NOTE: Admin edited product to remove company name from comment.

    • admin

      I’ll take your comment in good faith. I have removed the product name, as I do not want to be promoting other therapies at this time. Rather, my goal is to help people to critically examine the product objectively.

      The product you mention has a website with a clinical evidence section. This is a lot more confidence inspiring than Kailo, who show no evidence. However, when you read the paper from that clinical study, they explain their testing method clearly. While there are more promising results and evidence, the study had no control group, and did not test for the placebo effect. Thus, they really have no ability to claim anything much more substantial than Kailo, as the Placebo effect is a very strong factor that needs to be examined for ALL pain relief product claims. The study was funded, designed, and operated by the company, which presents a strong conflict of interest. Unlike Kailo, I’m certainly not accusing them of deception or anything, but the study methodology they used is certainly designed to present their product in the most favourable light.

  23. Matt

    I was born with a spinal cord defect called scheurmann’s disease. It is am excessive curvature of the spinal cord and i was told all my life by different dr.s and chiropractors that the degree of the kyphosis would never get worse. In my late 30’s it got dramatically worse. I finally had to have a neurosurgery that cost about a million dollars to stop the progression. 3 years after the surgery, my mid back still hurts badly. The medical community just wants to push opiods, so i did try the Kailo patch as the science seemed possible, like the different tens units i had tried. When i found the right placement spot, my regular pain went from about a 7 to a 4. When i took it off to take showers and forgot to put it back on my pain levels shot back up until i remembered i wasn’t wearing the patch. I agree that there should have been double blind testing done and i also believe the author was far too biased and did seem to be more concerned about testing the refund. It may help some people like me with certain types of problems or it may be a placebo effect. I have tried many different things because my pain gets so bad sometimes that i don’t want to continue dealing with so much pain on a regular basis. Lots of harsh things have been said on this site, but i hate that you have now put this into my head. I will probably try to check soon, but sometimes even placebo can be better than the alternative. Make all the excuses you want, but your “test” was bunk, biased and as unscientific as you claim Kailo’s statements. If you are going to run a scientific test, then do so. But please don’t belittle me and my pain by saying that you did. The FDA is also a political government agency run by greedy, infallable people like most government agencies and i would not want to work with them either.

    • admin

      Hey Matt,

      I’m sorry if you saw my articles as a personal attack on you or your decisions. They were not intended that way.

      Let me say as I did to others – I AGREE with you that my pain testing was insufficient as a scientific study, being very limited as an “n=2” study. I don’t claim that my “hands on review” was any more (or less!) authoritative than any other buyers testimonial for (or against!) Kailo, that you read in the web. It’s still appalling that Kailo have not produced a shred of evidence that goes beyond my “poor” testing.

      I purchased Kailo for a number of reasons, and yes I did have a bias as I did not expect it to work. However, I did use it as directed, and I do believe I gave it a fair go. Please don’t attack me because you’re not happy with the outcome.

      I maintain that Kailo still needs double blind clinical testing. But I felt that if I was going to advise others not to buy the product, even if I felt their science was completely made up gibberish, I wanted to try it on myself and see what happened to my pain.

      There is the question about “is placebo better than nothing?”. Placebo has no guarantees, and there are many cheaper placebo options out there (woo woo magnet bracelets 😂) that I still sleep soundly at night, having saved many many people an awful lot of money.

      I’m sorry that you suffer from pain on a daily basis. But NO-ONE in the scientific community has spoken up to agree with the bunk explanation that Kailo provides – it’s simply not possible, and fails on so many levels.

      I’m certainly no dummy when it comes to the failings of the FDA and CDC, even when I live in a different country. However, I do believe that people should respect the laws of the country they live in, even when they disagree with them.

      Best,
      Sam

  24. Pam Wells

    Thank you for your review. Most people have pain of some sort but those of us with chronic pain are often desperate for answers. Tired of meds. This product sounded too good to be true – so I “Googled” it and found your review. I wish the results were better – but I’ll save my money. Some businesses prey on the desperate. Thank you for your efforts on this.

  25. Beth

    Hi

    Has a full clinical trial been done on Kailo? Is one planned to be done? This is the only way to have proof whether this product works or not.

    I live in severe chronic pain every day for over 10 years. I would love it if this product did what they claim. When I come across a product like this or have never heard of, I go and do my own research. They weren’t going to put a bunch of bad reviews on the website of the product they want you to buy.

    I would volunteer to be part of the clinical trial. I would be thrilled if it reduced my pain so I could get back some quality of life. Quantity without quality sucks. If anyone wants to see the list with everything doctors have diagnosed me with, I’ll provide it.

    • admin

      Hi Beth!
      (This is a reply to your email message too)

      I’m glad that the review helped – yes, I completely agree that clinical proof is essential. I’ve followed up with Adrienne to see there have been any updates on their “scheduled” clinical trials from November last year…

      If I hear of any chronic pain clinical trials (for kailo or others) I’ll let you know. Pain sure can suck the joy out of life sometimes. Hope you can hang in there – I’m sorry I don’t have more hope to offer. Best regards.

      Cheers,
      Sam

  26. Andrea M.

    Hi –

    I have been through a couple of ads and looked over some reviews and ended up here. I did not read all of the comments so not sure if anyone else mentioned this. Somewhere through my journey I saw a comment about a dog collar made by the same company. Wouldn’t this be the way to test for the placebo affect? If you put it on a dog and they stopped dragging their hind legs from arthritis pain then it would prove it doesnt work through the placebo affect. A dog wouldn’t know the difference. Maybe there isn’t even a dog collar and someone else was just making the suggestion, I would need to back track my searches to be sure.
    However, in regards to proof I am pretty sure there is a birth control currently being used by tons of woman that works but people in the medical field don’t know exactly how it works. So accidental findings do occur.
    If I am completely wrong please tell me, I am not afraid like most people to be told I am completely wrong in any of my thoughts and am very open minded.
    Just wondering if anyone has actually tried this on a dog that is in pain or if there is a collar.

    • admin

      Hi Andrea,

      That’s an interesting idea – no, I have not seen any comments on here about testing on animals. However, I don’t see any reason why the placebo effect would be limited to humans – simply applying a placebo patch to skin would create some stimulation of nerves that may affect the severity of pain response. It I think it is still important that even on a animals that Kailo is tested against a “placebo” dummy control patch.
      Yes, it’s true that sometimes things may work in ways we do not understand – I don’t believe we need to provide Kailo the same blind understanding as they have made claims about the mechanism via which Kailo supposedly works. I too am totally open to things working via methods that we do not yet understand – that is always incredibly fascinating. However as I have said before, incredible claims require extraordinary evidence. Kailo has provided none.

      Best,
      Sam

  27. david

    i hear glenn beck (the radio show host)talk about releif factor actually does work, and glenn trying releif factor out himself , but me being another kailo tester of a couple days its not working on me yet.

  28. Sussi

    Hi everybody,
    as these video ads about the future nanotech pain reliever is bombarding every corner of the Internet, I happened to end up here, because I was looking for scientific proof and not just another smart snakeoil con, (the US seems to never have left that market… )always the same, solutions for everything, long stories and then the testimonies – like any cult trying to convince people about happiness and truth if you only sign up here… and pay this… 🙂

    I have not fallen into the trap of buying a Kailo – and I will not either. so I cannot give any testimony…But, I can understand people who do though. Smart businessmen who want to be filthy rich, prey on our vulnerabilities, they are skilled salesmen pretending to offer a remarkable solution. And most people experience pain, some more – some less.

    Due to accidents in my early years, I had to live with constant pain and I am used to that- but I also got sophisticated help from doctors and researchers within the field of neuroscience.
    Medical Researchers have dedicated their whole lifes to try to help patients with severe pain. Many hospitals today have “pain units”.
    In the seventies, electrical nerv stimulation was new, (TENS – explaind further down) and they tried it on me, with good effect. No painkillers, just electricity. Around 2000, I got a neuro stimulator placed inside my body – the electrodes are placed with great precision by a neurosurgeon, going in through the epidural space in the spine to cover the right area of the body. You yourself interact with the surgeon during the operation as he is testing his way to te right location. The electrodes are connected to a titanium battery also placed inside the body, under the skin and needs to be changed every seven eight years – It’s a bit like a pacemaker… You actívate and deactivate via a remote controle.
    This sophisticated treatment is a result of various decades of medical research and testing. For me personally it was life changing as I have nerv damages.
    So – I am not talking about muscle pain after work out, or after a fall or anything else. Still, pain is hard to campare and we get pain from sitting, or working with the same movements year in and year out, or as a result of accidents, heavy lifts, operations – whatever. But if you want to try a solution to avoid pain killers, there are today TENS-devices to a low cost on the market. You can do your own research and see if it is something interesting and appliable in your own situation. TENS = Transcutaneous electrical nerve stimulation therapy, involves the use of low-voltage electric currents to treat pain. A small device delivers the current to near nerves and blocks or changes our perception of pain. Once when I got it – this was as far as you could get on the pain-research platform, I guess it was terribly expensive – but so were computers etc too… Today you get one for 40-50-60 euros.
    It is worth trying if you are in a lot of pain, and it is available due to many years of medical neuro science research.
    Good luck to all in here.

  29. Melissa

    Hello, my Mother purchased the Kailo for me recently, as I have an issue with a tendon in my ankle that gives me constant pain – sometimes just laying in bed at night it can give me shooting pains. I tried it in different areas over a period of a couple of days to find the “right” spot like the directions stated. I even looked up where the nerves are in the leg to see where I should place it. Well, I guess I found the right area and have been fairly pain free for several weeks now. My pain was pretty intense and I find it hard to believe that I’m just a victim of a “placebo” effect. Maybe they just haven’t gotten around to all the clinical testing, blah, blah, blah? Only time will tell.

    • admin

      Well, I understand that regardless of how it happened, it’s definitely a joy to be free of pain, at least reduced pain. Unfortunately while there are some people who say they’ve had good experiences, there are numerous people have told me that they had no effect at all. So yes, I agree with you that what we really need is unbiased clinical testing. In my posts I am going one step further, and reinforcing that the absence of any thorough testing alongside both unbelievable explanations and ‘miraculous’ claims, makes the whole thing highly dubious. Please feel free to update us down the track with your experience as you go forward. It would be nice to hear from some people long-term. Best regards, Sam

  30. If I told my pain doctor that I paid $119 US for this pain patch he would laugh so hard that he would be crippled over and fall to the ground in laughter. This is the kind of product that makes one wonder what the fraud division of the US Department of Justice is doing about it. Probably nothing as all the attorneys are laughing so hard they can’t clear the tears from their eyes so they can write a cease and desist letter!

  31. Olivia

    I’d like to add this, not so much about Kailo but rather about the rigid and hard position some have taken against the product. I used to be just like you when I was younger, 20’s – 40’s. My thinking was exactly the same as yours. I worked in pharma (many positions) and at the time didn’t realize I was trained by them to think this way until I got out. I get where your coming from. I’m more open minded these days which developed out of necessity for my health.

    For those who insist Kailo does not or cannot possibly relieve pain, I have no idea if, how or why it works. I have not tried it myself. Maybe it does, maybe it does not.

    For those who insist on so-called “scientific studies” to prove that Kailo does indeed relieve pain, it would be nice but not having a study does not mean it does not provide pain relief as some claim.

    Physicians prescribe drugs “off label” (for indications not formally approved by the FDA) every day. Off label uses help countless people in the world including me. Sometimes physicians will prescribe doses not “FDA approved” or will chose to move a lab value to a range outside of the values provided by the testing lab. There are obviously no studies to support this. None of this is unusual or new.

    There are many reasons for not doing studies. Studies are also expensive, time consuming and are easy to manipulate to achieve a desired result.

    I not sure if a study on Kailo would mean much anyway, particularly to someone who has already decided against a product. It’s very easy to sit back and poke holes in medical studies and create doubt. I used to make a good living doing just that with my competition.

    To only consider “evidence based medicine” is very closed minded and dangerous. It is limiting. It is lazy. It causes suffering and can lead to death.

    There is much more to the world than we realize. We have so much to learn. Not everything has been or will be discovered. Flexibility in thinking leads to innovation and new discoveries. Flexibility and creativity are critical skills for the next generation.

    To promote only “Evidence based medicine” seems like a safe and scientific way of approaching medicine but actually it is a dangerous concept because humans are not machines. We are similar and often this concept works, but there are also many variables and sometimes it does not.

    Perhaps you, a family member or a friend has never needed to venture outside “evidence based medicine” because so far it’s been working for you. Perhaps “evidence based medicine” makes you feel safe and confident in your choices. Perhaps it justifies your choices when you are disappointed in the results. Whatever it is, I support you. I understand your thinking. However, you should also respect the opinion of others. Many have no options left in “evidence based medicine” and have decided to explore other options. I was one.

    I understand you believe Kailo responders may be experiencing a placebo effect. I have no idea, but the point is some are experiencing something they perceive as beneficial. Please do not deny the experience of others. Since the product has not been proven or disproven scientifically, you are only guessing at placebo effect. You have not done studies either.

    I am one of those who has had to venture beyond “evidence based medicine” to find health because “evidence based medicine” almost killed me, several times.

    Thank goodness for good physicians who have the ability to think for themselves and see me as a person rather than a series of lab results on paper. Thank goodness for alternative medicine and so many treatments that worked for me despite not having any studies. Many worked, a few didn’t but I am alive and healthy today and I’m glad to be here. I plan to stay a long time. Placebo? I’m not sure, but I also don’t care.

    Not only that, but I have children that I was told I’d never have, they are healthy and happy (impossible by “evidence based medicine” standards), and I’m feeling better and look younger than all my friends half my age (who strictly practice ONLY “evidence based medicine” by the way)! Their results of their rigid thinking has been chronic disease and suffering of all kinds. I feel sorry for them, I used to be there too. Maybe one day they will decide to be more open minded and find relief too.

    Unfortunately, in my world it is the younger adults who have been lulled into a false sense of safety and comfort with the idea of “evidence based medicine”. Eventually many if not most realize the limiting reality of this way of thinking. I am one.

    “Evidence based medicine” is generally a one size fits all approach that is dangerous to individuals as well as society as a whole. We are not mechanical robots.

    Again, I have no idea if Kailo works or not. I believe we need to be open enough to consider and respect the experiences of others before passing harsh judgement on people and their personal choices.

    I am not trying to argue with anyone. I’m trying to express another point of view. Best.

    • admin

      Thanks for your comment Olivia.

      “Placebo? I’m not sure, but I also don’t care.”
      I’m gonna ignore this line, as I have commented on this extensively.

      However, the rest of what you’ve mentioned I don’t disagree with entirely. I agree that we have much to learn about the way the body works, and I also agree that not every treatment works for every person in the same way.

      However, I do believe strongly in the principles of evidence based medicine. Evidence based medicine is not about having complete understanding of how things work, it is about measuring the effect of the treatment, and assessing its effectiveness for different conditions. I’m not a big fan of the FDA, But their existence is what thankfully prevents Kailo from making even more outlandish claims about the effectiveness of the product, without evidence to back it up.

      My final point would be that Kailo do offer an explanation for the mechanism by which their product works. Their explanation breaks the laws of physics, and they have not provide any evidence to demonstrate their measurable and testable claims.

      I do appreciate that you’re trying to offer an alternative view, but I think there’s enough to discredit Kailo from simply being a “natural and holistic” therapy. I think it is throwing the baby out with the bathwater to disregard the core model of “evidence based medicine” in the way that you have. I’m certainly not foolish enough to play devil’s advocate with Kailo, who I think are being deliberately deceptive, and who target vulnerable and desperate people.

      At the end of the day, it’s your money, your opinion, and your body. Everyone has to decide for themselves the way they discern which things are to be trusted and which things are not.

      Best,
      Sam

  32. KATHY BARTON

    Thank you so much for this. I was going to recommend it to my Niece since it was advertised it would help migraines. One of the owners name sounds very familiar so I will be searching to see why. I live close to Sandy Utah, I’m in Taylorsville Utah. Thank you again! Kathy Barton

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